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WOW and THANK YOU!

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 5:15 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:  Bronies never cease to amaze!  We've far surpassed our fundraising goal for the BronyCon Documentary.  Thanks to everyone who contributed and to all those who helped spread the word.

Please read this update from the BronyCon Kickstarter page...

Dear Princess Celestia,

What an amazing group of people Bronies and those who support Bronies are!

Twenty-four days ago we announced our dream of producing a documentary about the phenomenon of "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic" and its dedicated fans who live its values in their daily lives. Well, not only have thousands of members of the Brony Community and other members of the public come forward to encourage us, enough of them have shown their generosity that we can make an even better film than we ever imagined! They also helped the project become the 2nd most funded film of all time on Kickstarter.

Thank you for your inspiration and the inspiration we have received, and will continue to receive, from people everywhere.

Your faithful students,

Tara, Lauren, John, Mike, Laurent & the rest of the crew.

MONEY RAISED:

$322,022 Kickstarter (before fees)

  $26,142 Paypal (before fees)

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$348,164 GRAND TOTAL

The Paypal account at www.bronydoc.com will remain open for upgrades and new pledges. Announcements on when each level closes will be made on that page soon.


Please stay tuned for further updates, and thank you all again!

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Join the Solar Sisterhood!!

Check out the MILKY WAY AND THE GALAXY GIRLS web site!!

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jawsisra Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015  Student Artist
I watched it the other day I think you did a great Job.
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Hollylily Featured By Owner Edited Aug 27, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
YOU ARE AWESOME! CONGRATS! it would be so cool if celestia would become corrupted like luna did (nightmare moon) *hint hint!* :D
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MedusaArt Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Student General Artist
WOW! Congradulations!!! :)
Just to let you know, I love your work. I've loved foster's home of imaginary friends since I was little, and I'm a strong lover of mlp fim, which is one of my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE SHOWS! :iconfluttershyyayplz:
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ChloeDahlia Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I cannot believe it, that's a lot!!
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ShadowTheZoroark Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2012   Digital Artist
Yay! ^^
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gingapony123 Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Student General Artist
wow!That's some bits right there Mrs.Faust!
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Wesdaaman Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012  Student General Artist
For some reason, I'm doing my best to stay away from this "documentary"
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Realm-Of-The-Shadows Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Hobbyist Interface Designer
and why is that?
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Wesdaaman Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Student General Artist
I am not like most bronies
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Realm-Of-The-Shadows Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Hobbyist Interface Designer
elaborate?
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Wesdaaman Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Student General Artist
elaborate what?
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Viethra-Schepherd Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012
I think they meant to ask what it is about you that makes you feel you would make an unrepresentative sample of the brony fandom.
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WhatGamersAreFor Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well that's nice and all, but... i wasn't a Brony to begin with, and before MLP:FIM, there was a few shows that i like which is none other than Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends, and Homestar Runner.

and i'm still a bit curious about the Whole Brony thing myself, so... i'mma not gonna join in yet, nor will be to obsessed with ponies, that and i wanted to start off slow before going though everything else.
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RedCharge Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
To *0ShinyEevee0, who was a coward who blocked me to prevent me replying: Trust me, she got paid a WHOLE bunch without your poster. And who deserves raising money for? Poor people, sick people, disabled people. Those people who can't afford living, those poor families with barely enough food to go around, kids with cancer. Not a rich woman.

And it's not "some people" as you people like to say, it's the MAJORITY. That's right, majority. I will never accept a documentary if it's not showing the WHOLE truth. It will only show the "good" bronies and disregard anything else that might be controversial. You know that exact kind of "half truth" was shown in the past against various populations.

As for a cartoon fetish not being bestiality, I disagree. If it's a cartoon HORSE it still counts. The fact that you can accept it just goes to show how lacking of an individual you are, both morally and socially.

Have a good day as well.
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Viethra-Schepherd Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012
I don't really care about the poster thing, its their money.

The cartoon element isn't even a factor. Basically, sexual ethics comes down to consent. Children aren't mature enough to give consent, and animals aren't intelligent enough to give consent. With something like this, we are dealing with quadrupeds meant to look non-humans, but they are definitely sentient people according to the source material. Making sexual ethics about appearances and not substance has dangerous implications. If the issue is erotica or pornography, that is much more complicated than what I could address here, but since you said it wasn't, I'll stay on task. You are wrongfully accusing people of a very serious offense, based on your fundamental misunderstanding of sexual ethics. I'll thank you not to spam Lauren's DA page with your foolishness.
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RedCharge Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Well you're a bit late to the party really, and I don't really care about what you think, since you're obviously hanging by on the technicalities, because that's how the sick and perverted work. But sadly not everyone is a silly liberal who gets hung up on technicalities. So yeah, basically, what you said is ridiculous. Fantasizing about sex with a pony in pony form is bestiality, if its their personalities that attract them, they wouldn't have to go specifically for the pony form. But that's besides the point, since you're obviously one of them and cannot be convinced otherwise. Thus wasting my time with you would be silly. So have a good day, hope your parents are proud that you're defending sick people on a technicality.
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Viethra-Schepherd Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Yeah, you are right about the fact I responded to an old discussion. If you don't judge morality on substance, you are nothing more than a bigot pretending to defend morality. Yes, some people abuse technicalities to justify things that they know are wrong, but I don't waste time arguing on behalf of things I don't actually think are acceptable. I study free will and its relevance to religion and ethics. I am a Catholic apologetic. The very existence of reality in Judeo-Christian belief systems is for the sake of free will. It is incredibly important, and the significance of consent goes far beyond that of a mere technicality. A person is a self aware being, that has free will and free choice. The state of our bodies has no bearing on our person hood, only our minds and souls, though physical traits like age are good for gauging the state of the mind. Angels don't even have bodies, but they would be people.

See, I think what you're trying to say is that since these beings vaguely resemble real horses that means they are the same thing. For one, if a zoophile actually saw FiM ponies, I'd wager they would find them a poor substitute for the real thing, but that is a mute point. It doesn't matter. If superficial characteristics were the meat of sexual ethics, interracial marriage would be wrong according to some people. According to some, dating the opposite sex would be wrong. I mean, look how different men and women appear. Maybe it is only appropriate to date an exact clone of yourself to some extreme. It is loony to base your argument about this on such a flimsy idea. If you like a person's personality, then what they look like isn't that important. Sure, a lesbian who likes a particular dude might wish he was a woman, and that wouldn't be wrong, but it is a convoluted little abstraction. It could not work backwards in your example, though. A horse mind in a woman's body, or a young boy in an adult body are not acceptable relationship prospects. Mind over matter, as the saying goes. Say Jim likes lyra, but could only rationalize dating anthropomorphic Lyra. Heck, say Lyra is into Jim, but can only morally consider dating hippomorhic Jim. Both are being quite silly when you really think about it.
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RedCharge Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Again you're talking theoretical morals. Bigot against people who want to fuck cartoon ponies? If something like that passes as bigotry than humanity has little to no hope, as people who immerse themselves in a fantasy world are to be accepted. Grounding in the real world is important, people who masturbated to animals, sentient or not and CARTOON more than all are not right. Not in the head. By your argument, masturbating to a lolicon would be the same thing. I mean after all in anime most lolicons have adult intelligence. So where do we draw the line? The line should be drawn at cartoons to begin with. I'm not against being attracted to things most would consider... unnatural. But parading that sexuality, or ANY sexuality for that matter, whether gay, straight, bi etc... is wrong. Sexuality is not something to be worn on the sleeves. This "sexual" generation is living proof to how fucked up the acceptance of that has made society.
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Viethra-Schepherd Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Bigotry's first goal is to make the cause it attacks appear without merit, then paint its attacks as innocuous. You are trying to make your personal disapproval into a moral issue, but ignoring morality in the process. You champion values, but are really using them for ulterior motives. Those values you assert serve a crusade that does not concern them. The entire issue is fundamentally hypothetical, so my playing Zombie Advocate is no more absurd than you playing Spanish Inquisition.

How do you know so much about lolicon? I learned something new today about the topic. I digress, but the matter there is whether the character is actually a young looking adult or some kind of kid genius. There are real people who are older than they look. Some actors make their living using professional experience to play roles to difficult for actors that match the character's age. I don't know enough to really take a stance on that issue, but it is basically a straw man anyway, so I don't care all that much.

If you don't actually disagree with people entertaining these diversions, why make all the fuss? Instead of focusing on one little group of people involved in one fetish, you should be concerned with the state of sexual openness in modern society and censorship laws. Maybe you should make petitions about the programming on network television. Perhaps you wouldn't be into Sharia Law, but maybe you could come up with your own psychological projections of insecurity and anxiety to impose on others. The erotic dialogue that is exchanged by creators and consumers within a single subculture is small potatoes compared to what you are talking about. The sexual openness debate has taken Millennia to find itself where it is, and I am not interested in walking you through that monster.

If you are truly unwilling to consider what I have to say about the original topic, or are genuinely just employing it as a punching bag to express your frustration with the state of modern civilization as we know it, then I guess I have nothing left to offer you.
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RedCharge Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
You had nothing to offer me to begin with. Your pseudo-intellectual reasoning would be frowned upon in any good discussion forum. Sadly however, the internet gives medium to people who can barely spell their own name and thusly people like you with pseudo intellectual arguments based on their own lack of rigid morality and values are considered "enlightened".

Basically, none of your points ever, in any point were on a scope broader than those in question, or the people who support their right to practice their bizzarre sick ways, while my views are the views of the vast majority of the world. SO to sum it up, you never gave a single intelligent, unbiased argument this whole time.
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Viethra-Schepherd Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012
No, you never actually took serious consideration of what I had to saw. You didn't even try to consider the logic behind what I was saying. Also, I did relate point that were broader than the subject matter. That whole thing about free will and person hood is applicable to almost any ethics debate. Having focus, though, shouldn't be seen as a flaw in the debate. If you are saying that your opinions are more popular, then that is completely irrelevant to who is right. If all seven billion people on Earth thing something, that doesn't necessarily make them correct.

Instead of actually challenging my ideas, you just declared them to be wrong and left it at that. My arguments were entirely based on reason and logic. I never justified my points by saying "cause I think so" or "this view is my favorite so you have to agree". I presented them for what the were and explained why I held them to be correct.

I have no idea what your actual opinion is, because you keep flip flopping on what the real issue is, but clearly your feelings are too vague for you to articulate them in a concise format. That doesn't make you wrong, but it does make it a challenge to even try comprehending where you are actually coming from on this. You are very disrespectful, to the point of being aggravating, and you don't seem to have a grasp of what you are talking about when you bring up concepts like "pseudo intellectual" and "bias". Based only on this conversation, I'd say your ability to be open minded is very limited, so perhaps it was a mistake to engage you in such a peculiar and controversial debate. I'm trying my best not to sound smug, but damn man. I dunno what to tell you.
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IndustrialBreeze Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012
You can always make a case for funnelling money towards people who are at a disadvantage. And I don't think anypony is against that. Please don't muddy the issue with "what ifs" and especially don't dictate how we should spend our money. I do help the poor and disadvantaged.

So you won't accept a documentary because it does not focus on the concerns of the minority? I don't think you understand what democracy is, nor do you understand statistical analysis and outliers. Half truths are different from majority truths. There will always be at least one strange case for every fandom, why focus on it? Do you want a fandom to be poorly portrayed? What do you have against bronies? Give us some facts that we can work with, not blind accusations.

Why is being a brony a fetish? And do you not trust that we can differentiate between fantasy and reality? What evidence do you have? Please, enlighten us. What case against morality and sociality do you present to us?
And if you hate cloppers, please state so. I don't, just because somepony likes something that I don't, what right do I have to demonize them for it?

Lauren Faust has publicly done much good, if not great things. Recently I was watching some of her prior work, Iron Giant, nothing to do with ponies whatsoever. And it was amazing, every second of it. I find it hard to find fault with someone so talented when no evidence is provided.

If you are having issues, please state them so we can understand.

Lauren Faust, you are rocking my world. Thank you. /)
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RedCharge Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012
Listen to the Howard Stern at Bronycon tape.

The bad people in the fandom are not a minority, they are the majority. There is no way to prove this conclusively, but hanging around in the fandom outside your little bubble would make it it obvious.

And you can't defend cloppers, cartoon bestiality porn is STILL bestiality porn. I can even understand those with anthro fetishes to some extent, but when it's just ponies who can talk, no excuse. Is masturbating to cartoon children porn alright? Then why is it okay with animals? The majority of mankind is behind me on this one, I assure you.

Lauren Faust is an amazing artist, but as I said before, a documentary is about DOCUMENTING. Documenting a phenomenon is documenting IT ALL. Otherwise we could document whatever we want and present it to the world, just like Fascists and Nazi Germany did. I'm not comparing Faust to Nazi Germany, but propeganda is never good, EVER. Especially from a show that strives to teach about honesty. Practice what you preach?

As for the poster, Faust did not need a 900$ poster to know how many fans appreciate her, her dA profile and various art, videos, e-mails, dedications and letters are probably enough. Those 900$ could have, and it's not a "what if" provided many families food, helped finance several cancer kids' treatments, helped an animal shelter so puppies wouldn't be put down, etc... etc... these are not what ifs, these are facts.

The tens of thousands of dollars this propaganda film is using? Could be used for better purpose than making bronies seem good even though they're not. So right now, this sucks on both the Element of Generosity, Kindness AND Honesty. 3 elements down the drain, and I find that hypocritical.

To sum it all up, as much as I love Faust and her work, I cannot respect her if she goes down this path and I will not respect her if she does. It's my right not to respect her and my right to say so, if you have a problem with that, then I suggest you should practice some love and tolerance and accept those with different opinions than yours.
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IndustrialBreeze Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012
I have listened to Howard Stern, and he got things wrong. It's what he does, as a shock jock. I'm not surprised, nor am I gullible enough to take everything he says as truth. Nor am I gullible to believe that we are a perfect fandom full of righteous saints.

You say that you cannot conclusively prove that the majority of the fandom are cloppers, yet you state it as truth. You are contradicting yourself. I don't know either, but from the actions of bronies I see, hear, have met and read about, and lack thereof of mainstream rule34, it doesn't seem like a majority to me at all. Maybe you are surrounded by cloppers, it's understandable that your outlook would reflect that. I don't know. I don't live in a bubble; I've been on many chans since 2006 and have seen most of what the internet has to offer. I've seen what people are capable of, in good and bad ways. I've done bad things too, I'm not blind.

Also, I do defend cloppers. I don't have to like what they do, but they are people and deserving of respect. And I don't like what they do, it makes me feel awkward and uncomfortable. But that is what tolerance is about. I will tell people I don't like what they do, but I do NOT force them to act a certain way because of it. Acting on intolerance is tyranny.

Saying the majority of mankind is behind you on this is also a fallacy without proof. But let's assume that is the case. Does that make the rights of the minority any less important? Now, I'm not going to say that these people are blameless. It's their responsibility to keep it under NSWF labels and away from the younger audiences. And when they don't, that is a shame and should be corrected.

Your argument about masturbating to a children's cartoons is off. You're excusing the humiliation and degradation of regular porn to make an argument about a specific type of porn. It's ALL BAD, it shouldn't exist, but it does. Then you could get into the grey area of nude art and personal expression. Dictating what type of porn should be acceptable is a waste of time, if that is what you are saying. If not, apologies. I'm saying it's a moot point.

Documentaries do not cover topics completely because they are limited in time, scope and budget. 2 hours is not enough to cover the massive amounts of information that exist, if the doc is even that long. Besides, 325k is under the default budget of 400k that Michael mentioned most tv documentaries get. I think estimates put it at 1.5 hours. Besides, why are you so angry at the personal lives of people? Aside from it being no business of yours what people do in their spare time, you want it broadcasted all over the world in a documentary? What logic is there in that?
Will you criticize other kickstarter documentaries for not including certain aspects in theirs?

Propaganda? What propaganda? If you are implying that the documentary is a propaganda piece, that is not the case. Since a documentary cannot cover everything and the fandom is in its infancy, there may not be enough information to make a proper case of bronies and rule34 regardless. Also, this fandom is worldwide and since a documentary is a centrally-created piece of media, it's not gonna cover it all. Period. Perhaps there will be a doc that explores rule34 later in greater detail and depth, but why restrict it just MLP:FiM? Why not for multiple fandoms? If propaganda is so evil, why don't you go after the government instead of picking on bronies? They are a much worse culprit. Now I'm using the lesser of two evils argument.

I do practice what I preach. I also preach that people are fallable, imperfect, and need mercy, grace, and love to be their best. People are better together, and friendship is magic. I stand by that 100%. Even I can be a horrible asshole if in the wrong mood and mindset. I'm not nearly consistent enough to be a role model.
These ponies? They can be.

As for the poster gift, of course she didn't need it. She didn't even ask for it. But just like I didn't need to give gifts to some of the VA's, I did anyway. It's called appreciation. People wanted to be involved in brightening the lives of their role models. If you are concerned about wasting money on gifts for people, why not get rid of Christmas too? Is it not all the same? And who are you to dictate how much appreciation is enough for one person based on their career and experience? Why are you trying to act above us all?
If people are not appreciated for their work, they can feel unappreciated and stop what they are doing. While unlikely in this case, it shouldn't be regulated.

As a brony, I've donated to things you may think are superfluous, such as the documentary. But I've also donated to Kiki's cancer treatment fund via tara strong's recommendation, to indie developers through Humble Brony Bundle, to a pet shelter at the Comic Expo booth they had, and MLP has in general made me much more open to donating to causes, such as ones at the checkouts of Toys R Us. I'm sorry if the actions that lead me to help benefit society do not pass your better judgement. I absolutely hate boasting about good things I do, but Twilight taught me that sometimes, expression of experience is necessary to continue dialog.

You are caught up in the documentary being some sort of brony self-fellating project that you cannot see past what you perceive. Your mind is closed.

Here is what the documentary has to say about it.
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The trekkie documentary was twisted with focusing on the oddballs of the fandom that they overlooked what most of the fandom was about, providing a lopsided inaccurate picture of them as a whole. That would be completely against what the Bronycon Documentary team are trying to accomplish.

You need to stop seeing people through your own biases. You do not know what is best for people, you do not know how people should spend their own money. The world doesn't work that way. What if cancer donation pools are really owned by corrupt people who take it and run? What if animal shelters use money to pay for euthenizing animals instead of curing them and getting them a home? Don't assume people are better elsewhere, that the grass is greener on the other side. This fandom isn't made up of superhumans, it's just people you would find elsewhere brought together by a common passion.

If you choose not to respect Faust, that is your decision. It's up to you and I won't think less of your actions for doing so, even if I feel your reasonings are poor. You need to stop writing with the focus that people are by default, malicious towards you. That's not the case.
Your words have a lot of aggression and pain in them, and it hurt to read. I hope one day you find the world a better place than you currently understand it to be...

Sincerely,
Industrial Breeze.
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RedCharge Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012
From your explanation it is clear that your view of life is naiive and that you have barely if any social conscience. You defend cartoon bestiality, despite real bestiality being against the law. And no, not all porn is bad. Howard Stern did not have anything "wrong" he interviewed BRONIES. They're the ones who presented the fandom far more than he has.

Documentaries ARE supposed to portray an ACCURATE summary of ALL the fandom. It won't contain every tidbit of information but it will show both the good and bad sides of a phenomenon, even in just a general sense. Anything other than that IS propaganda. Saying that people who masturbate to cartoon animals should be defended and that most of humanity does not agree that it's wrong is just you wishing for something that's not.

Just because I can't give empirical evidence that most of the fandom are not like that, does not mean the evidence is not there, just that I don't have the time or inclination to compile it.

Your argument that giving money to CHARITABLE organization may be used for the sakes of evil is practically sickening. You are a very poor person indeed to even have that life view.

You need to get out more and develop a social conscience, maybe live life outside cyber space for a while and cut off from the computer, realize what's important in life instead of defending one of the most hated and corrupt fandoms currently on the internet. And trust me, there's a good reason so many people hate bronies, not all the world can be just "ignorant."

The fact that people WITHIN the fandom hate them as well should have been your first clue. The bronycon documentary team are trying to accomplish one thing, presenting bronies in a positive light to make more bronies who will in turn buy more products and raise their show rating and nothing more. That is disgraceful.

As I said before, I suggest getting out of that tiny little bubble you're in, maybe, and I'm sorry if this sounds offensive, get a life and go find out what you REALLY should be doing.

And by saying a minority of bestiality fans should be respected is like saying a minority of pedophiles should. It's not alright even in fantasy.
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Herdsworth Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012
Just a curiosity: Are you certain that Stern didn't pre-screen those cloppers so he could find the worst of the fandom? Or just find random people and convince them to say they were cloppers? Because I wouldn't put it past him. He is a shock jock after all. Why focus on the normal, sane fans. That doesn't get him ratings any more than Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh would get ratings if the presented the liberals as anything other than insane or stupid.

I'm not even going to argue the rest of your points as I find them annoyingly cynical and mean-spirited. Trying to change your mind would be time wasted when I already know in my heart, body and soul that you are either woefully misguided or a provocateur.

And protip: ALL FANDOMS GIVE MONEY AND/OR TIME TO THE THINGS THEY LOVE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE FANDOMS. If there was no fandom, there'd be nothing to praise or condemn. And I'm not sure I'm going to trust the word of a stranger on the internet that the creators despise us bronies.
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RedCharge Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012
Regarding the Stern thing, I haven't been to any cons myself, but I've had plenty of friends (unlike most ex bronies I don't completely disconnect myself from the fandom) who have and have told me that it's full of awful vulgar people that even went as far as yell at actresses things like "fuck Rainbow Dash" and I even heard something about threats against VAs... which is horrible I think.

I've been in this fandom a long time, a very long time, well over a year. I've seen so many bullies harass, bully and even more than a few sexual harassments against minors which if it was one or two I'd put past me, but over five. Not to mention four or five pedos I ran across while going around the fandom as well as an assortment of just creepy neckbeards all around. (I'm talking 27 year olds living in their moms basements with no jobs or qualifications to get them)

Not to mention the abundance of liars and hypocrites. I'm all for love and tolerance but when it's an empty slogan it shouldn't even be used.

As for money, I understand paying for products and itunes episodes and such. But paying 800$ to give Faust a poster? REALLY? That's just a waste of money. Why not give Bill Gates a vintage computer then? Exactly the same deal isn't it?

I'm not saying the fandom should be destroyed, I'm saying present it as is and not as what you want it to seem. You get the difference?
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Herdsworth Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012
If you're referring to the debacle at Everfree NW, that was debunked by one of the VAs themselves (Michelle Creber, if you wanted to know.) I'm not sure about the other cons so I can't prove or disprove those claims.

I'm going to a con myself this weekend so I'll let you know how those bronies behave.

It will either be an eye opener or a debunking of your claims for me.
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IndustrialBreeze Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012
From your response it is clear you do not have a balanced or critical view of the world you live in. Or you are a troll who refuses to give evidence, commits ad hominem attacks instead of focusing on the issues, ignores what other people have to say, and uses imbalanced arguments to support your viewpoints.

I do not defend cartoon bestiality. I defend the rights and freedoms of those who produce and engage in it. Love the sinner, hate the sin -- as the saying goes.
Yes, porn is bad. If you support activities that demean and cheapen sex and those involved, sure, that's your choice. Doesn't make it right.

This is the definition of a documentary as per dictionary.com:

"Movies, Television. based on or re-creating an actual event, era, life story, etc., that purports to be factually accurate and contains no fictional elements: a documentary life of Gandhi."

How can they make a WWII documentary without including all the homosexual behaviour that obviously would occur in a mainly male-dominated environment? Can you see how ridiculous that sounds?

The definition says nothing about whether a documentary must focus on all the aspects of something, only that it must be factually accurate. If they choose not to focus on rule34, it can still be factually accurate.
You say it must be a summary of ALL the fandom, yet you later say it won't contain every tidbit. That's a contradiction.

What do you have against me standing up for people who are quite often bullied and degraded by people such as yourself for *gasp* the nerve of liking something you and much of society don't? How dare a mother of a murderer love her child.

Perhaps you've heard of unconditional love? Acceptance? Do you honestly think that making outcasts of people is helping matters? I'm fairly certain you engage in activities society does not approve of. If you don't want people to stick up for you when you may need it, that's your prerogative. But do not demonize me for doing the same for others.

Giving factual evidence is part of separating an actual argument from an opinion. If you don't have it, it's conjecture. Yet you have time to insult others. Perhaps your priorities need review.

Assuming that bad things won't happen is foolish and naiive. My brother in law works for the government and deals with charities and it happens more often than you would think.
Here is an example: a charity that in actuality was a scam. [link]
It is sickening, isn't it? Taking advantage of people? I hope we can agree that is wrong.

Since you seem to be an expert on this social conscience thing, perhaps you could enlighten me on how to obtain one. It seems odd though, that you would mention I should have a social conscience, when many people spend their time socializing on the internet using social media, aka facebook, twitter, and comment boxes like these. I use all 3 and more. I do enjoy being cut off from my computer, going outdoors and camping. Speaking of which, I will be doing so soon.

I don't see this "most hated fandom" aspect you bring up. Sure, a lot of bronies aren't the most mature, most of them are still teenagers and very young adults without much life experience. I'm not going to hold that against them, it's part of growing up, learning to deal with opposition, reacting to situations in a mature manner. It comes with making mistakes and they need room to make them in order to learn. Something MLP:FiM does a great job of teaching, although it'd be more theory than applied studies.

I've offended bronies before, and have been offended by some as well. I'm not going to let that sour me and lash out because of it. I'm going to reflect on what I did wrong, try to fix it, and move on. I'm not going to dwell on hating a fandom instead of improving it.

Are you suggesting that once someone joins a fandom, they are forced to like it? Sure, haters are going to hate, guaranteed. But being critical of a fandom and hating it are two different things. I encourage the former, because as I mentioned before, fixing the hate is better than letting it fester. Loving and tolerating is a good first step.

If you had read the link I gave you, you would know that the documentary has no such agenda.
Michael says "That a small minority of Bronies might indulge in "off-color" activities is, in our minds, less newsworthy than the majority of people making the initial leap into Bronyhood. The intent of the documentary has more to do with celebrating the courage it takes in becoming a Brony than in finding fault."

John DeLancie says "Rest assured the documentary will not be about Fox News. That would be inappropriate and off-message. Nor am I using the documentary to push my own political agenda. What attracts me to Bronies is their desire to be nice and kind and considerate, and we want to present that message loud and clear."

They are presenting the entry point of the fandom based on the majority of experiences. Not to sell products, not to raise their show rating which the doc team is doing on a modest budget. Hasbro is not involved, otherwise they'd be allowed to use MLP clips and content, which they have mentioned is not the case here.
You also say "nothing more", I didn't realize you were such an expert on knowing what John, Michael, Tara and Lauren are trying to do, moreso then themselves. Are you sure there's nothing more? Have you asked them?
You seem to know a lot about what is going on on the inside.

You also seem to know a lot about this tiny bubble I'm supposedly in. Perhaps you can direct me out of it? Well... if my sarcasm didn't show through, yes. I suppose I am a little bit offended, seeing as you are not refuting the arguments I made and instead attacking me personally. And perhaps I don't know what I am supposed to be REALLY doing, but as long as there are friends to make, people to support, and life in my body, I'm willing to fight for what is right. Not what is right according to you or I, but what is right (as in absolutes). If Jesus can spend his time among prostitutes, murderers, theives, gluttons, and unsavoury people, I think I'll do alright standing up for my fellow man even if they do things I don't approve of.

Lastly, saying bestiality fans shouldn't be respected (and whether cloppers are focused on the animal or relational components of the show, we don't know and it's not our business) is like saying criminals shouldn't have a right to a lawyer because they did something society doesn't approve of. I can't believe you would advocate such wanton hatred towards your fellow man. Is it difficult to live, surrounded by people who do things you don't like? Because guarenteed, brony or no, there are people everywhere who enjoy the most corrupt of activities. Perhaps you should leave that tiny bubble of yours and broaden your focus of attack beyond just bronies.
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RedCharge Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2012
Alright your argument is very big and I'd rather focus on one aspect at a time, otherwise we'd be having books written in these comment sections.

Let's start by saying that not respecting someone does not mean denying them their basic human rights. I don't think of cloppers as criminals, but I do think that being so abhorrently public about it is not only indecent, but one of the most foul phenomenon I've seen. Openly engaging in discussion with a radio show reporter about masturbating to cartoon animals, especially when such come from a kids' show and that audio is very accessible on youtube and such, is beyond appalling. What next, lolicons going around bragging about masturbating to the Powerpuff Girls? It's not one, or two people, either.

To call people on the internet your "fellow men" is not exactly correct as people are not the same online as they are in person. Online relative anonymity has created monsters and white knights alike, and even though I treat all of my online acquaintances as friends (to the point of being conned by one I knew for almost a year when he "needed money") I never presume I am talking to the real person behind the monitor. I am talking to an online persona and nothing else. So no, you're not sticking out for your fellow men. You're sticking up for a bunch of people who were swept with a tide of this brony fandom originating in many places on the internet, most of which are not of the best reputation. Most of those people are faker than Hollywood and there is a damn good reason for it. As for those who embraced this phenomenon to their personal life, I must say that if they need a cartoon to tell them how to live, then they must not be of good mind to begin with.

Ponies are just a trend, it's not going to get any better it's just going to go down in popularity, it's not as big now as it was when it started and there were ponies everywhere on the web. It's going to die out and all of those people will go back to their hours of mindless websurfing with nothing new in their life.

The fact that I refuse to spend hours online to make a pointless argument that you will disagree with no matter what evidence I present is not a reason to claim I'm opinionated. Granted, I do have a strong opinion, based on facts. I just refuse to waste my time giving such a bored person who could type up such a wall of text the satisfaction of knowing I wasted so much time of my life on this.

As for what these people are trying to do, how much have you talked to them? Do you know them personally? I'll let you in on a secret, some of them find the fandom pretty creepy at times. They play with it like a shepard plays with his flock, just herding them around. But I assure you that they are not as enthusiastic about people who masturbate to children's shows or dress up as ponies just to spite people who think it's wrong. In fact, if they had not been making so much money off of the fandom, they would probably condemn it to the ground.

And you're wrong pal, the documentary is SOLELY for profit. Why ? Because this is not a cultural phenomenon, this is not some big leap in humanity's progress, this is a trend. The documentary will be bought by the numbers and spread online like a plague and that's what they want. More watchers, more consumers. The whole MLP series from G1 to FiM is just a tie in for a toy. That's why there has been zero effort on it until Faust came aboard. But let me tell you, it's still just that, a tie-in for a toy.

All in all, allow me to quote a piece of dialogue that you bronies should probably be saying, I'm sure you'll recognize it.

"The bank makes money and they are using me and I am the fool"

~ Tommy Wiseau

(P.S. You can call me a troll, but at least I'm not using exhaustion techniques to win an argument. Your illogical ranting is showing that you spend too much time on the computer, I would suggest counselling and making more real life friends.)
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RedCharge Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2012
Wow, I'm sorry but it's gonna take me a while to read this comment and properly respond to it, so forgive my late reply.
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Lust--eDoll Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
This ShinyEevee sounds smart.
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devilkais Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
Youhoooooo ! This is a message to everyone here ! Here the most brutal take down of the show it says so in the title ;)
[link] [link]
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jorganstan Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awesome, Brony movie in theaters 2013
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ZeldaSonicCat Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Amazing!! ^^
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YuiRainbowStar Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Bronies thank you for giving them of my little pony, and with your imagination you never let us down with whatever you make :icondashishappyplz:
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yet, people call bronies the cancer of the internet.
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AlphaAndOmegaSUCKS Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012
No they call wolfaboos that
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TheBlondRedHeadedOne Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012
trust me, they call us that too
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AlphaAndOmegaSUCKS Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012
I bet they'd do it alot less if some of those people discovered wolfaboos.
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TheBlondRedHeadedOne Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012
I'm not sure what a wolfaboo is...
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AlphaAndOmegaSUCKS Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012
A person who likes wolves but whose liking developes into obsession and believe that wolves are cuddly and cute, that all hunters are devil worshippers, and that wolves are more important than all humans and animals, that they are God's real chosen species and evolution's greatest breakthrough. They usually spell wolfs instead of wolves. Now doesn't that sound alot worse than a brony?
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TheBlondRedHeadedOne Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012
...WTF internet!?
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AlphaAndOmegaSUCKS Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
I know right?
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0Shiny0 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Your reaction: Priceless.
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sss158 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
i read ur post about the milky way and galaxy gals,i think if u keep shouting it out it could be one day a cartoon,mabey on cartoon network or the hub mabey disney or disney XD.just keep on trying
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KinakoJurai Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012
Wow! That's awesome! Congratulations! :w00t:
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sss158 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2012
BTW r u giving up on ur MWGG project?
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sss158 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012
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Phaedrolous Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2012  Student General Artist
Bronies for the win!!
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